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let's start with doma. it's the federal law that defines marriage as a union between and a man and a woman. it keeps gays from get iting th same rights. president clinton signed doma into law in 1996. he now says it should be struck down. avery freedman from cleveland, good to e see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> and richard herman, good to see you as well. avery, you first on this. two cases before the supreme court. let's begin with doma. how much is at stake here? >> i think this is one of the great cases that the the supreme court will hear this term. that and prop eight. but doma which was compromised legislation and signed by bill clinton back in 1996 has always been questionable in terms of constitutionality. and two federal appeals courts have held that that law that restricts personnel rights that is by the federal government violates the constitution. it violates the equal protection law. in terms of the significance of it, it's really march madness. this is so important and so exciting because you hav
let's start with doma. it's the federal law that defines marriage as a union between and a man and a woman. it keeps gays from get iting th same rights. president clinton signed doma into law in 1996. he now says it should be struck down. avery freedman from cleveland, good to e see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> and richard herman, good to see you as well. avery, you first on this. two cases before the supreme court. let's begin with doma. how much is at stake here? >> i think...
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good see you, richard. >> hi, fredricka. >> why do you suppose clinton at the time agreed to sign doma, despite being a supporter of gay rights. then have you o wonder whether his about-face will potentially make a difference. >> well, i think even though it was only 17 years ago when doma was pushed through congress by the republicans, it was politically very popular and president clinton was six weeks away from a re-election and i think that sums up why he signs it. i think the important thing now as he said in his opinion piece in the "washington post" two weeks ago, and as he has been saying since 2009, he's now a supporter of same-sex marriage. he's had the same kind of evolution that many americans have had and he believes the bill is now unconstitutional. >> a former president clinton not the only one. same-sex marriage has gained support from others. in the past few weeks from senator portman, the american academy of pediatrics and former secretary of state hillary clinton. this is what hillary clinton said most recently. >> lgbt americans are our colleagues, our teachers, our
good see you, richard. >> hi, fredricka. >> why do you suppose clinton at the time agreed to sign doma, despite being a supporter of gay rights. then have you o wonder whether his about-face will potentially make a difference. >> well, i think even though it was only 17 years ago when doma was pushed through congress by the republicans, it was politically very popular and president clinton was six weeks away from a re-election and i think that sums up why he signs it. i think...
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in fact, bill clinton who signed doma into law when he was president, is now asking the u.s. supreme court to overturn it. let's bring in cnn legal contributor powell cowen. how much will the reversal potentially make? >> supreme court justices would tell you they're immune from politicians lobbying them. they're appointed for life by the president, and the founding fathers frankly set up the system so you would have sort of an independent judiciary. i don't think bill clinton's position will have a major impact on the court. >> so what the constitutional argument that will be made to keep doma in place? >> well, there are two cases before the court this week. one on tuesday and one on wednesday. the first on tuesday is called the prop 8 case. california case, and it's very interesting because the california supreme court said gay marriage is legal. they said it's against the california constitution to ban it. and then lawyers came in and voters went out and they adopted prop 8, which amended the california constitution to make it illegal. so they stuck it to the judges and s
in fact, bill clinton who signed doma into law when he was president, is now asking the u.s. supreme court to overturn it. let's bring in cnn legal contributor powell cowen. how much will the reversal potentially make? >> supreme court justices would tell you they're immune from politicians lobbying them. they're appointed for life by the president, and the founding fathers frankly set up the system so you would have sort of an independent judiciary. i don't think bill clinton's position...
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next on the docket the constitutionality of doma. give us a quick preview of that case. >> this is about whether the federal government can define marriage between a man and a women, therefore depriving anyone legally married state taxes, or military benefits et cetera. there are over a thousand federal laws currently keeping same-sex couples in new york for instance, from getting -- from getting recognition from the federal government. so the supreme court, i'm guessing by probably 6-3 vote with chief justice roberts and justice kennedy with the liberals will say that doma is patently unconstitutional, and that will allow the people in the states and the district of clum bee -- they will get to receive their benefits. >> michael: all right. tell me that you don't know more now that mike sacks has stopped by "the war room." coming up on "the war room," the politics of gay marriage can be complex and tangled as its legalities. karl frisch will tell us how both parties are trying to get in front of an issue moving faster than they are.
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doma was a law passed by the house and senate and signed into law by president clinton. and in our system of government, the administration doesn't get to decide what's constitutional. the supreme court does. >> and it will. starting tuesday. a constitutional law expert, nyu, and the president of founder of freedom and the right leaning heritage foundation. thank you to all of you for being here. folks who haven't followed this case as closely, how did we get here and why of these two cases being heard so close together? >> beginning with the second question, serendipity they're being heard together. winded they're way up through separate passes of the country to converge at the supreme court. the first case, perry case heard tuesday is a prop 8 case a state restriction on same-sex marriage. whereas the case herd wednesday, the defense of marriage act, whether or not federal benefits vts to be afforded to the same as couples married in their home states. >> the pew research poll showing support for same-sex marriage, it's grown in the last ten years. especially generatio
doma was a law passed by the house and senate and signed into law by president clinton. and in our system of government, the administration doesn't get to decide what's constitutional. the supreme court does. >> and it will. starting tuesday. a constitutional law expert, nyu, and the president of founder of freedom and the right leaning heritage foundation. thank you to all of you for being here. folks who haven't followed this case as closely, how did we get here and why of these two...
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doma, the defense of marriage act. it blocks federal recognition of same sex couples in states where they are allowed to marry, denying them about 1,000 federal benefits the other married couples get. when her spouse died and left her the estate, she got a bill from the irs for $363,000. >> i was heart sick. i lost the love of my life and i was heart sick. with this incredible expense. >> reporter: after president obama concluded the law is unconstitutional, house republicans entered the case to defend doma. >> thanks to pete williams who will join our coverage tomorrow and wednesday, if the high court strikes down doma, that would not automatically require states to permit same-sex marriage but the ruling could be a game changer for what all states are allowed to do. let's spin. jonathan capehart, friend of the show hark as piece out in the "washington post" today where he says, i don't think lgbt american fully appreciate how ten with us thing are on the court right now. he is very cautious. in factoring argues that
doma, the defense of marriage act. it blocks federal recognition of same sex couples in states where they are allowed to marry, denying them about 1,000 federal benefits the other married couples get. when her spouse died and left her the estate, she got a bill from the irs for $363,000. >> i was heart sick. i lost the love of my life and i was heart sick. with this incredible expense. >> reporter: after president obama concluded the law is unconstitutional, house republicans...
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. >> what the bill does -- >> reporter: now the defense of marriage act, also known by doma first passed by congress and signed by president clinton in 1996, is being challenged at the supreme court. >> it's being asked to decide whether or not congress can pass a law that treats same-sex couples who are already married under the laws of their state different from opposite sex couples. >> reporter: defenders of the law say congress has as much right as the states to make its own definition of marriage. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean, we sent our elected representatives to washington, d.c., and they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it's clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't get the same benefit and the issue with doma really gets complicated if they have children who are also excluded from bene
. >> what the bill does -- >> reporter: now the defense of marriage act, also known by doma first passed by congress and signed by president clinton in 1996, is being challenged at the supreme court. >> it's being asked to decide whether or not congress can pass a law that treats same-sex couples who are already married under the laws of their state different from opposite sex couples. >> reporter: defenders of the law say congress has as much right as the states to make...
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so what that means is that at the very least the supreme court overturns doma right? and -- which gives states, you know, the right of sort of defining what marriage is and then they hold -- at the very least the narrowest ruling upholding the strikedown of pop situation 8, meaning that california couples could continue to be married or start again, but it doesn't necessarily -- >> bill: apply to the entire country. >> and then there is this other argument which is an 8-state solution, whichever state like california, basically giving a bunch of benefits with the exception of the wore marriage then they would have to adopt it, because there's no reason why -- the state can't have an interest in denying the word marriage if it is giving all of the benefits of marriage. and then there is the constitutional right to marriage nationwide. but what he was saying was at the very least they overturn doma and give a narrow ruling upholding the strikedown of prop 8. he thought there was zero chance that they did anything negative to hurt same-sex marriage. >> bill: so rob portm
so what that means is that at the very least the supreme court overturns doma right? and -- which gives states, you know, the right of sort of defining what marriage is and then they hold -- at the very least the narrowest ruling upholding the strikedown of pop situation 8, meaning that california couples could continue to be married or start again, but it doesn't necessarily -- >> bill: apply to the entire country. >> and then there is this other argument which is an 8-state...
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a week from today, the supreme court hears an argument in the doma case. it's going to be an extraordinarily significant event. what i'm seeing right now is shaping out in the washington media, and so this week i've seen an article on family choices of the supreme court justices where they describe the demographics of nine justices, some never married, some marrieded late, some adopted children, some have no children. it's interesting because the fundamental defense that remains under doma is the idea that a marriage between a man and a woman is the only vehicle in which you can have procreation, the appropriate role to raise a choild. that really is the strongest argument for those who would still seek to retain doma and the idea of marriage between a man and a woman of the only legitimate vehicle. in the post, this week, there's a series of articles designed methodically to strike down the idea that procreation is the only thing worth saving, and so we have the family choices of nine supreme court justices. we've had a poll of the views of various citize
a week from today, the supreme court hears an argument in the doma case. it's going to be an extraordinarily significant event. what i'm seeing right now is shaping out in the washington media, and so this week i've seen an article on family choices of the supreme court justices where they describe the demographics of nine justices, some never married, some marrieded late, some adopted children, some have no children. it's interesting because the fundamental defense that remains under doma is...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. ys into school break and they're already bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will bounty select-a-size. it's the smaller powerful sheet. the only one with trap + lock technology. look! one select-a-size sheet of bounty is 50% more absorbent than a full size sheet of the leading ordinary brand. use less. with the small but powerful picker upper, bounty select-a-size. >>> it's been an exhilarating month for senator rand paul. his 13-hour filibuster inspired the hashtag, stand with rand, and trended worldwide. he was crowned king of the conservative world at cpac and the chairman of the iowa republican party has invited him to headline their annual lincoln dinner in may,
. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. ys into school break and they're already bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will...
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doma tomorrow. the united states supreme court. i want to ask you about you've also talked about and written about this interview yesterday. "the today show" airing an interview not done by members of the today staff peter. who was it that did that? >> john veigler. >> bill: who was doing an interview with sandusky. he brought the interview to abc and they -- to nbc and they aired it on "the today show." >> we know today is in second place and they're having struggles about lauer and curie and who pushed who out. thisserer interview, it is part of a documentary they're putting together and the purpose of the documentary is to exonerate this sandusky and -- >> bill: and paterno too. >> they don't believe -- well, question a lot of the witnesses that came forward that said they saw sandusky in the bathroom doing what he was doing. trying to assassinate that kind of testimony. and you know, this isn't -- yeah, he's a former talk show host but he's not some kind of objective journalist. this is the guy who made the documentary media ma
doma tomorrow. the united states supreme court. i want to ask you about you've also talked about and written about this interview yesterday. "the today show" airing an interview not done by members of the today staff peter. who was it that did that? >> john veigler. >> bill: who was doing an interview with sandusky. he brought the interview to abc and they -- to nbc and they aired it on "the today show." >> we know today is in second place and they're...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. >> trees are closer to us -- whoooo! you're crazy. go faster! go faster! go faster! go faster! no! stop...stop... (mom) i raised my son to be careful... hi, sweetie. hi, mom. (mom) but just to be safe... i got a subaru. (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. ( bull roar ) ...if you don't attend the running of the bulls. ole! >>> it's been an exhilarating month for senator rand paul. his 13-hour filibuster inspired the hashtag, stand with rand, and trended worldwide. he was crowned king of the conservative world at cpac and the chairman of the iowa republican party has invited him to headline their annual lincoln dinner in may, citing his 2016 potential. meanwhile, politico reports to
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just hundreds of feet from where the court's nine justices are considering the fate of prop eight and doma recordings and transcripts from today's hearings suggest that the debate is as contentious as ever justice antonin scalia the most conservative justice pressed opponents of prop eight to pinpoint exactly when discrimination against gay couples became unconstitutional. we did it constitutional. to exclude homosexuals couples from marriage seventeen of the one. eight hundred sixty eight when the fourteenth amendment was adopted sometimes sometime after baker where we sit it didn't even resist substantial food group question when we when and when did the law become this. justice anthony kennedy the court swing vote at one point suggested gay marriage might be too new of an institution for the court to judge fairly at the same time he expressed concern for the children of same sex couples affected by prop eight liberal justices alina kagan and sonia sotomayor challenge the measure supporters to defend their position rationally so what happened over the supreme court this morning the justi
just hundreds of feet from where the court's nine justices are considering the fate of prop eight and doma recordings and transcripts from today's hearings suggest that the debate is as contentious as ever justice antonin scalia the most conservative justice pressed opponents of prop eight to pinpoint exactly when discrimination against gay couples became unconstitutional. we did it constitutional. to exclude homosexuals couples from marriage seventeen of the one. eight hundred sixty eight when...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting tacky little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support, we help you shine every day of the week. these are sandra's "homemade" yummy, scrumptious bars. hmm? i just wanted you to eat more fiber. chewy, oatie, gooeyness... and fraudulence. i'm in deep, babe. you certainly are. [ male announcer ] fiber one. [ man ] excuse me miss. [ gasps ] this fiber one 90 calorie brownie has all the deliciousness you desire. the brownie of your
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man, i fullyting expect doma will be struck down. the issue has been devolved so rapidly and has gained such support across a broad range of constituencies that i predict doma will fall. that will be ok. we will be able to move along from there. slide, please. the issue i have seen some effort done, and this has been an interesting one to see ball over many years. i came to the army in 1976. servedl soldiers that and they had turbins. if you know anything about the quality of seek an gurkha soldiers, i said, we can live with this. sometime along the way, we thought, we no longer allow people to have different apparel and different uniform standards. the idea that you could serve as a siek and honor your faith wearing a turban, that was denied. at some point, there was a supreme court case involving a rabbi. the idea was, if you could wear a yarmulkes and hide it under normal military head gear, that would be ok. under that decision, we then had jewish rabbis and others serving openly. that was fine. that was the only accommodation ma
man, i fullyting expect doma will be struck down. the issue has been devolved so rapidly and has gained such support across a broad range of constituencies that i predict doma will fall. that will be ok. we will be able to move along from there. slide, please. the issue i have seen some effort done, and this has been an interesting one to see ball over many years. i came to the army in 1976. servedl soldiers that and they had turbins. if you know anything about the quality of seek an gurkha...
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doma is definitely unconstitutional. but don't take my word for it. you have heard me say this, i'm sure, around 2005 the republicans were in the majority passed legislation specifically related to doma which had, as you know, passed some years before in the 1990's. they came up a specific bill relating to doma that stripped he right of judicial review. the courts should not have right of judicial review, and therefore they were passing this bill to strip the courts of judicial review. why would they do that if they thought they had a constitutional bill? specifically related to doma. i feel pretty confident about what will happen there. but you never know. you never know. i think i only have time for one more question. two questions then. quickly. i'll answer shorter. >> seems like it's going to be the next big fight coming up, the speaker said hins principal of reforms in cuts, wonder if you're going to stand by -- whether you would be open to another no budget, no pay, where you do a balanced budget amendment vote or something like that. that's wha
doma is definitely unconstitutional. but don't take my word for it. you have heard me say this, i'm sure, around 2005 the republicans were in the majority passed legislation specifically related to doma which had, as you know, passed some years before in the 1990's. they came up a specific bill relating to doma that stripped he right of judicial review. the courts should not have right of judicial review, and therefore they were passing this bill to strip the courts of judicial review. why...
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>> i think on doma, there is a very strong possibility the court will strike that down. we'll say the federal government can't make a distinction between -- can't decide what marriage is, it has to defer to the states. on patrol 8, it could uphold prop 8, strike it down only in california, a decision that would apply only in california. it could say that california and any other state that recognizes civil unions can't then refuse to allow same-sex marriage that would apply to eight states or could do what david boyce and ted olson and two gay couples challenging prop 8 want the supreme court today and say no state can refuse to recognize same-sex marriage. so a range of possible outcomes. >> a wide range. and that's what bhax maix it so fascinating. pete williams, thank you. >> you bet. >>> and now that congress has finally funded the government through the end of the year, hooray, washington is pivoting to the next set of big issues on the agenda. guns and immigration. today, president obama will advocate for a comprehensive immigration reform plan at a naturalization
>> i think on doma, there is a very strong possibility the court will strike that down. we'll say the federal government can't make a distinction between -- can't decide what marriage is, it has to defer to the states. on patrol 8, it could uphold prop 8, strike it down only in california, a decision that would apply only in california. it could say that california and any other state that recognizes civil unions can't then refuse to allow same-sex marriage that would apply to eight...
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here is what i think about doma, doma is definitely unconstitutional. but did not take my word for it. around 2005, the republicans in legislationssed oma, but they came up with a bill related to doma that stripped the courts of the right of judicial review. the courts not have judicial review, and therefore they were passing this bill to strip the courts of judicial review. why would they do that if they thought they had a constitutional bill? specifically related to doma? i feel pretty confident about what will happen there, but you never know. i think we only have time for one more question. two questions, quickly than. >> the debt limit, it seems like it will be the next big fight. the speaker said his principal will you stand eight no you open to a budget, no pay think where you do a balanced budget -- [indiscernible] >> your third part is a theoretical. yes, that is what the speaker says, and that is in keeping with the anti-government ideologues in his caucus. if you keep cutting investments in the future, that way, in order to do something that
here is what i think about doma, doma is definitely unconstitutional. but did not take my word for it. around 2005, the republicans in legislationssed oma, but they came up with a bill related to doma that stripped the courts of the right of judicial review. the courts not have judicial review, and therefore they were passing this bill to strip the courts of judicial review. why would they do that if they thought they had a constitutional bill? specifically related to doma? i feel pretty...
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the other on the defense of marriage act, doma. will the supreme court follow public opinion? or will it stand and yell, stop? >>> in the 1970s the republican party began two decades in the wilderness when it swung too far to the left from where the country was at the time. now it's the republican party's turn. new polling suggests the gop is at its worst. the hard right is trying to keep itself in office and the party out of the white house, it seems. >>> remember last year how republicans were insisting all the calls were dead wrong right up until mitt romney actually lost? with those numbers? and even after that? well, they're at it again. now it's the polls on gay marriage that are wrong they say. all those polls are wrong. don't believe a word of them, they say. >>> finally, let me finish with people who were the cheerleaders, when their job was to be referee. the press. in the buildup to the iraq war. >>> as i mentioned karl rove is apparently trying to carry favor with the hard right again after his call for more establishment party candidates. yesterday he sounded the
the other on the defense of marriage act, doma. will the supreme court follow public opinion? or will it stand and yell, stop? >>> in the 1970s the republican party began two decades in the wilderness when it swung too far to the left from where the country was at the time. now it's the republican party's turn. new polling suggests the gop is at its worst. the hard right is trying to keep itself in office and the party out of the white house, it seems. >>> remember last year...
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clinton who signed the defense of marriage act into law wrote an op-ed piece saying he believes that doma is, quote, incompatible with our constitution. the white house welcomed hillary clinton to the majority side of marriage equality today. >> i can tell you that the president believes any time a public official of stature steps forward to embrace a commitment that he shares to equality for lbgt americans he thinks is a good thing. >> first of all, who is doing the lighting for that video? more godfather-y than i expected, that dark brooding look. >> it reminded me of the video she -- when she announced in 2008, it was that kind of soft, sing songy voice and lighting. listen, i don't think it is a surprise she has come out for same sex marriage. interesting this is her first post secretary of state announcement and now there's a lot of buzz around her possibly running in 2016. i think we have seen dramatic shift in public opinion. it happened swiftly. i remain shocked how much changed in the last couple years. if you go back to 2008, bush ran against same sex marriage and that in many w
clinton who signed the defense of marriage act into law wrote an op-ed piece saying he believes that doma is, quote, incompatible with our constitution. the white house welcomed hillary clinton to the majority side of marriage equality today. >> i can tell you that the president believes any time a public official of stature steps forward to embrace a commitment that he shares to equality for lbgt americans he thinks is a good thing. >> first of all, who is doing the lighting for...
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[cheers and applause] all doma does is make us weaker. doma makes america weaker because it denies gay and lesbian service members one of the tools that they need to complete the mission, something that we have offered to their straight counterparts for over a century x that is the comfort of knowing that if they are called on to make these supreme sacrifice, that their families will be looked after and cared for in perpetuity i -- by a grateful nation. [cheers and applause] and so that means if you are a gay marine at sea in the persian gulf today, that in the eyes of the government the love that you and your husband share means nothing. it means if you are a lesbian soldier standing on the dmz in korea right now, the commitment that you and your wife shared with one another when you shared your vows is empty as far as the army is concerned. and so they're out there right now laying their lives on the line for a government and a country that says to them if something happens to you, don't expect us to take care of your families. and thei
[cheers and applause] all doma does is make us weaker. doma makes america weaker because it denies gay and lesbian service members one of the tools that they need to complete the mission, something that we have offered to their straight counterparts for over a century x that is the comfort of knowing that if they are called on to make these supreme sacrifice, that their families will be looked after and cared for in perpetuity i -- by a grateful nation. [cheers and applause] and so that means...
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it will hear arguments for the defense of marriage act known as doma. we discuss the issues before the u.s. supreme court. it's the final stop on a long and winding legal road. let's begin with a look at how it all started. the week of valentine's day, 2004, newly elected san francisco mayor gavin newsom, boldly, some said recklessly orders to grant marriage
it will hear arguments for the defense of marriage act known as doma. we discuss the issues before the u.s. supreme court. it's the final stop on a long and winding legal road. let's begin with a look at how it all started. the week of valentine's day, 2004, newly elected san francisco mayor gavin newsom, boldly, some said recklessly orders to grant marriage
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and president clinton came out striking down doma. and this comes back to the logic step-taking on marriage equality. >> thomas, it's not surprising that hillary clinton did this. but not only is the cover on the move for gay marriage in the next four or five years but also we haven't seen hillary clinton on the political stage in the last four or five years and that's is why she never communicated on the matter. consistent with barack obama when he was campaigning. of course, barack obama made his shift during the 2012 presidential campaign. now, we're seeing hillary clinton make her shift. and it does end up stoking some type of speculation that this might be all apparent to lay the ground work for a potential 2016 bid. >> from a strategy standpoint, why do you think this was done in connection with the hrc, as opposed to that website. i don't know if it's up yet, with regard to collecting e-mail, but the website that they fired up? >> it just comes after rob portman made his news and support for gay marriage. he's the republican se
and president clinton came out striking down doma. and this comes back to the logic step-taking on marriage equality. >> thomas, it's not surprising that hillary clinton did this. but not only is the cover on the move for gay marriage in the next four or five years but also we haven't seen hillary clinton on the political stage in the last four or five years and that's is why she never communicated on the matter. consistent with barack obama when he was campaigning. of course, barack...
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en wednesday a case on the constitutionality on doma. you can listen to these on tuesday and wednesday evening at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> to believe in something that is so right, so dear, so necessary, you have to get in trouble. before we got in trouble, we studied. we didn't wake up one morning and say we're going to go is it in. we didn't just dream we're going to come to washington to washington and go on a freedom rite or we were going to march. we studied. we prepared ourselves. >> they say black power. they intimidated so many people, white people in particular by using that phrase black power. because when they use that word plaque power it made many people think black power meant destruction, blowing up the statute of liberty or ground zero, stroig america. it wasn't about destroying america. it was about rebuilding america. t was about having a new paradigm how we could be as we were doing the pledge in school the land of the free, the home of the brave. >> john lewis and john carlos discuss their personal experiences durin
en wednesday a case on the constitutionality on doma. you can listen to these on tuesday and wednesday evening at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> to believe in something that is so right, so dear, so necessary, you have to get in trouble. before we got in trouble, we studied. we didn't wake up one morning and say we're going to go is it in. we didn't just dream we're going to come to washington to washington and go on a freedom rite or we were going to march. we studied. we prepared ourselves....
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. -- doma violated her rights. it goes on to say -- on twitter -- william in hikers town -- excuse me, dennis in florida, republican. good morning. any bigbefore we allow construction projects to go on in the united states, we require their to be environmental impact study to see if it will harm the least creature's among us. we do not seem to want to do any environmental impact study to see how a homosexual marriage will impact our children. in terms of the religious issue -- host: the d.c. the news last week that the pediatric association came out and said that they do not see any harmful effects on children? caller: i did see that. there is another pediatric association that took exactly the opposite stand, which shows that all of this is politically motivated. they are all subject to pressure from various groups. either literally or two pediatric groups that took a totally different sides of the issue. host: what you think about the court using things like social science in their determination? caller: i think
. -- doma violated her rights. it goes on to say -- on twitter -- william in hikers town -- excuse me, dennis in florida, republican. good morning. any bigbefore we allow construction projects to go on in the united states, we require their to be environmental impact study to see if it will harm the least creature's among us. we do not seem to want to do any environmental impact study to see how a homosexual marriage will impact our children. in terms of the religious issue -- host: the d.c....
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california's proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act or doma. the lawyer against prop 8 was on this morning's "meet the press". >> we're not asking for a new constitutional right. the constitutional right to marriage is well established. the supreme court has ruled that you can't take away the right to marry even from imprisoned felons. this is a basic civil rights issue and i don't think it's the issue that divides the court. >> joining me now, patricia and head of the supreme court practice. jonathan turley. hello to both of you. welcome. >> hi, alex. >> patricia, i'll begin with you as -- well, let's talk about in terms of prop 8, what we heard just there, correct, i mean, the right to mary already, has it been well-established? >> well, the right to marry is but what the court hasn't grappled with is what is the definition of marriage and that, as we know, is the issue hotly contested in this case and what they will be confronting and in particular what is the role of the courts in that, the role of the states, the role of the federal consti
california's proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act or doma. the lawyer against prop 8 was on this morning's "meet the press". >> we're not asking for a new constitutional right. the constitutional right to marriage is well established. the supreme court has ruled that you can't take away the right to marry even from imprisoned felons. this is a basic civil rights issue and i don't think it's the issue that divides the court. >> joining me now, patricia and head of...
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the day before president clinton signed doma released a statement saying, quote, i have long opposed government recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. but he says he was never comfortable with the law and earlier this month clinton wrote it was a mistake saying, quote, i know now that even worse than providing excuse for discrimination, the law itself is discriminatory. it should be overturned. joining me now democratic strategist and long time clinton adviser james carville. thanks so much for coming on. >> you bet. got some magic here. all right. democrats in terms of the gay marriage issue and immigration and amongst other things guns, the polling seems that unlike the '90s, they're really winning on these culture wars. in terms of getting married, is it the point now for democrats this is a very much winning issue. you see mark warner, claire mccaskill. you've got to get onboard with this or risk being in trouble in 2016. >> first of all, there's not going to be an antimarriage equality candidate run for president in the democr
the day before president clinton signed doma released a statement saying, quote, i have long opposed government recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. but he says he was never comfortable with the law and earlier this month clinton wrote it was a mistake saying, quote, i know now that even worse than providing excuse for discrimination, the law itself is discriminatory. it should be overturned. joining me now democratic strategist and long...
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we'll see you back here tomorrow as the high court takes up doma. as you said, thousands of demonstrators on both sides of this debate are staked out in the capital. here's a look at them in their own words. >> prop 8 has got to go! >> they chanted every child deserves a mom and dad. mike is a correspondent with the "huffington post." he also produces huff post live. we talk about yesterday the idea that because public opinion had moved so dramatically so quickly on this issue, maybe this would have the effect of giving the supreme court the idea that they are less pressured to rule on this at all because the democratic process is clearly working outside of the court. do you think that it is possible and so they'll sort of take a step back from this, or do you think they want to get out now on public opinion and accurately reflect the sentiment of the country right now? >> reporter: until justice kennedy said maybe we should dismiss this case, it seems the court was looking to get out ahead of the states. public opinion is over 50% for same sex marr
we'll see you back here tomorrow as the high court takes up doma. as you said, thousands of demonstrators on both sides of this debate are staked out in the capital. here's a look at them in their own words. >> prop 8 has got to go! >> they chanted every child deserves a mom and dad. mike is a correspondent with the "huffington post." he also produces huff post live. we talk about yesterday the idea that because public opinion had moved so dramatically so quickly on this...
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her husband came out on march 7th for marriage equality to strike down doma. we have senator portman coming out. we have huntsman that's come out for marriage equality. has the tide turned? >> yes. there is a reason i have a big smile on my face. it's been a great time for marriage equality. we have folks across the political spectrum, the faith, the age spectrum. the super majority of americans believe in the freedom to marry. "the washington post" poll with 58% that came out yesterday is a huge bellwether of where we're going with this issue. >> last night a congressman quoted when hillary clinton and rob portman agree it is time to move on. is that really where we are? there is republican intransigence on the issue and how this is, while there has been a sea change of public opinion, our elected leaders seem slow to realize that. >> we live in a country where people are allowed to have differences of opinions on things but we also live in a country that believes in equality and fairness. i think that is what we're seeing is even when people might personally
her husband came out on march 7th for marriage equality to strike down doma. we have senator portman coming out. we have huntsman that's come out for marriage equality. has the tide turned? >> yes. there is a reason i have a big smile on my face. it's been a great time for marriage equality. we have folks across the political spectrum, the faith, the age spectrum. the super majority of americans believe in the freedom to marry. "the washington post" poll with 58% that came out...
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and president clinton reversed and no longer likes doma. and do you think you'll he get the decision? >> we're hoping for a big win. the question -- the arguments and the questions that were asked are very interesting as you know, as a lawyer, it's fascinating. it's high drama, high legal drama. this is exciting as legal dr drama gets. i'm reluctant to get too much into the questions, you never know where the justices are going to end up. the important thing to remember, if the court decides to not issue a ruling or substantive ruling on the merits. if they decide to rule procedurally that the case is not ready for the decision. it's one of two lower court rulings is what is going to stand. and both the lower courts in this case ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. so-- >> meaning a win for gay marriage proponents if the supreme court punts on it. >> that's right. so if the court decides not to decide, the plaintiffs, the gay marriage advocates are going to be the winners in this. >> megyn: before i get to maggie, just as a procedural matter,
and president clinton reversed and no longer likes doma. and do you think you'll he get the decision? >> we're hoping for a big win. the question -- the arguments and the questions that were asked are very interesting as you know, as a lawyer, it's fascinating. it's high drama, high legal drama. this is exciting as legal dr drama gets. i'm reluctant to get too much into the questions, you never know where the justices are going to end up. the important thing to remember, if the court...
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doma won't stop that. it's natural. all it does is inflict pain by denying the rights of those that have a different lifestyle than those of us who are straight. it's not going to stop this. you find somebody and fall in love. >> stephanie: okay. stop bringing that point up. stop poking me with the loser stick. bill, i have read a lot of legal analysis about that. this is what happened in prop 8. this is not hurting anybody. it's just opening a right to everybody, right? >> caller: well, and this is the thing. it is inflicting pain. i just read in the state journal this morning, a woman who had partner who died, and she has no right to even the wedding ring. it's horrible. it's ridiculous. >> stephanie: right. >> on facebook today a lot of gay people are switching their sign to a red equal sign. and a lot of straight people are starting to do that too. >> stephanie: oh. thank you, y'all straight people. mary, welcome. >> caller: hi, everybody. last week's show was pretty good, and that was good choice that you made putt
doma won't stop that. it's natural. all it does is inflict pain by denying the rights of those that have a different lifestyle than those of us who are straight. it's not going to stop this. you find somebody and fall in love. >> stephanie: okay. stop bringing that point up. stop poking me with the loser stick. bill, i have read a lot of legal analysis about that. this is what happened in prop 8. this is not hurting anybody. it's just opening a right to everybody, right? >> caller:...
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a few days before the supreme court will look at both doma, defense of marriage act, and california's prop 8. it also puts her in line with top democrats heavily weighing 2016 bids, of course. could this mean a move for her already, eventual candidacy? chad griffin, president of human rights campaign, and joel walsh editor at large for "salon" and msnbc political analyst and laughing, and joyously involved in fascinatine inine ining piec. hillary clinton has come forward in a very well-produced video. very well done. and i listened to it all today and it's well done. here's why question. how did it happen? we were talking, the producers and i, when is she going to do it, how is she going to do it? >> i knew the clint nts for a long time. i grew up in arkansas. over the last few years every chance i had when i was around people in leadership positions, i urged them to fully evolve and come out in support of marriage equali equality. that includes former secretary clinton sometime clint clinton. sometimes in the last ten days or so she reached out to do this video as part of a series th
a few days before the supreme court will look at both doma, defense of marriage act, and california's prop 8. it also puts her in line with top democrats heavily weighing 2016 bids, of course. could this mean a move for her already, eventual candidacy? chad griffin, president of human rights campaign, and joel walsh editor at large for "salon" and msnbc political analyst and laughing, and joyously involved in fascinatine inine ining piec. hillary clinton has come forward in a very...
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and all that you follow, how do you think the supreme court is going to rule on proposition eight and doma. >> i'm optimistic. look how the courts have dealt with this in california in the last six years. look at the polling in california from the time we passed proposition eight to outlaw gay marriage to where we are in the public polls now. it has changed all over california and it's beginning to change all over the country. you see that in the corporations wecorporations' responses you see that in elected official's responses from former vice presidents senators and throughout the country. i think it's really flipped in the last seven or eight years in terms of the public perception of this issue. result i think the courts will follow that. >> michael: optimism j lazarus thank you so much for coming into "the war room." >> thank you. >> michael: an unique question and answer session puts the african-american experience in a whole new light. >> we could find our own way by standing up for the truth. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle r
and all that you follow, how do you think the supreme court is going to rule on proposition eight and doma. >> i'm optimistic. look how the courts have dealt with this in california in the last six years. look at the polling in california from the time we passed proposition eight to outlaw gay marriage to where we are in the public polls now. it has changed all over california and it's beginning to change all over the country. you see that in the corporations wecorporations' responses you...
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they will take up the defense of marriage act, doma. and there are reports of people already lining up outside the court to hear these arguments. and joining me now is the executive director for the foundation for equal rights. thank you for joining me. i want to get a preview of the case that you're going to present to the supreme court next week. >> sure. on tuesday, ted and david are going to go in that courtroom and they're going to make the case that one, 14 times the supreme court has said there's a fundamental right to marry for all americans. two, that denying gay and lesbian couples that right all rights them and hurs their families. and three, allowing gay and lesbian couples access to this right to make that pledge of public commitment through love and marriage hurts no one else. >> it must be buoyed by a group that agreed that children who are raised with gay parents that are married have a much more stable home life for them. but when it comes to whether or not this should be a state versus federal issue, we are seeing gove
they will take up the defense of marriage act, doma. and there are reports of people already lining up outside the court to hear these arguments. and joining me now is the executive director for the foundation for equal rights. thank you for joining me. i want to get a preview of the case that you're going to present to the supreme court next week. >> sure. on tuesday, ted and david are going to go in that courtroom and they're going to make the case that one, 14 times the supreme court...
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especially doma. they'll decide it on a narrow -- that somebody doesn't have standing to bring the case and same with prop 8. so it will overturn it. it will overturn prop 8 in california. i think that's gone. without a doubt. but i'm going to hold out the big optimistic, just let everybody get married decision. i don't hope -- i hope for that but i don't believe it will happen. >> stephanie: what makes me nervous is whin you have somebody like a -- is when you have -- i was just doing a hernia test on jim. you have somebody like ruth bader ginsburg, she's pro-choice but roe v. wade did it create a backlash. that's a little unnerving right? >> right. except that i think the nation's ready for that. i mean you know, especially young people. what is it? 80% of young people are people under 30 -- that's young people. i feel so old. >> stephanie: all right grandpa. >> get off my lawn! >> stephanie: drop the prunes for a minute. go ahead. >> that they support marriage equality and that there's a good perce
especially doma. they'll decide it on a narrow -- that somebody doesn't have standing to bring the case and same with prop 8. so it will overturn it. it will overturn prop 8 in california. i think that's gone. without a doubt. but i'm going to hold out the big optimistic, just let everybody get married decision. i don't hope -- i hope for that but i don't believe it will happen. >> stephanie: what makes me nervous is whin you have somebody like a -- is when you have -- i was just doing a...
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gop and the bipartisan legal counsel to continue this fight, $3 million of taxpayer money to oppose doma? >> well, look, this is a position of our party. but, you know, our point in the report, luke, is that, you know, when i was asked at the national press club i think one of the reporters asked me and he said are you still going to fund, you know, rob portman? my response is, of course we're going to help rob portman. he's a good conservative republican. my appointment, luke, i'm not going to get into this sort of back and forth with leadership, but what i will tell you is i think our party needs to have the attitude that if i disagree with you on one issue, it doesn't mean that you're a lousy republican. it means that you're a good republican. it means we agree on most issues and we need to unite our party. we can't build our party if we're going to cut out certain pieces and certain parts that we may not agree on 100% on but we have to grow. so we have to grow through additional -- >> mr. chairman, you're a relatively young man, 41 years old. do you think the republican party -- >> i
gop and the bipartisan legal counsel to continue this fight, $3 million of taxpayer money to oppose doma? >> well, look, this is a position of our party. but, you know, our point in the report, luke, is that, you know, when i was asked at the national press club i think one of the reporters asked me and he said are you still going to fund, you know, rob portman? my response is, of course we're going to help rob portman. he's a good conservative republican. my appointment, luke, i'm not...
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tradition traditional marriage will end up winning both in proposition 8 and in doma. >> i think they will uphold the ninth circuit appeals court and i think that decision will allow same-sex marriages as early as late june in california and hopefully it will expand beyond that. >> all right. thank you, gavin newsom and brian brown. >> thank you. >>> an embarrassing prostitution scanned a. now for the first time ever the secret service will be led by a woman. president obama just moments ago announced he was appointing career agent julia pearson as the new director. she takes over for mark sullivan. sullivan was in charge when agents caused a massive scandal by bringing women, including prostitutes, back to a hotel in colombia where they were staying ahead of the president's visit. 13 agents involved, eight of them lost their jobs. >>> general david petraeus wants forgiveness, and he's asking for it in a very public way. what the former top spy is saying about his lies, his love affair, and his life after scandal. that's our buried lead and that's coming up. >>> it's our money lead. i
tradition traditional marriage will end up winning both in proposition 8 and in doma. >> i think they will uphold the ninth circuit appeals court and i think that decision will allow same-sex marriages as early as late june in california and hopefully it will expand beyond that. >> all right. thank you, gavin newsom and brian brown. >> thank you. >>> an embarrassing prostitution scanned a. now for the first time ever the secret service will be led by a woman....
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doma define marriage as between a man and a woman. today, it was all about california and prop 8. owe pony nentsz of that measure argue it violates the u.s. constitution as the right of all citizens to equal protection under the law. supporters argue that the state's voters have made their wishes known and the federal government should not interfere just as anthony kennedy is a possible swing vote here and he says prop 8 actually evenings a lot of kids. 40,000 children in california according to the -- that live with same sex parents. and they want their parents. to have full recognition and full status. >> he says the voice of those children is important. don't take too much away from that. history tells us that trying to predict the supreme court decisions is an exercise in futility shannon bream covers the supreme court for us. she is live there tonight. shannon, is there anything we can take away from what they said today? >> well, shepard, some, not all of the justices, certainly gave us clues as to where they stood on this issue of proposition 8 and whether or not california
doma define marriage as between a man and a woman. today, it was all about california and prop 8. owe pony nentsz of that measure argue it violates the u.s. constitution as the right of all citizens to equal protection under the law. supporters argue that the state's voters have made their wishes known and the federal government should not interfere just as anthony kennedy is a possible swing vote here and he says prop 8 actually evenings a lot of kids. 40,000 children in california according...
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i'll see you tomorrow to talk about the supreme court case, doma, and prop 8. all that on mph tomorrow. coming up "weekends with alex witt." is saving money better than not saving money? [ kids ] yeah! ok. if you saved enough money, what would you do with it? i would buy an island made out of candy. an island made out of candy? it would be like sand full of sugar. sand full of sugar? the water could be made out of like soda, and when you take a shower it could be made out of like hot...
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the next day the court takes up the constitutional conflict in the 1996 defense of marriage act or doma which defines federal acknowledgment of same-sex marriag marriages. at stake? federal marriage benefits for those who are legally married. the arguments laid out before the nine justices this week will establish a furd precedence for the next chapter for the fight in marriage equality. this is a watershed moment. but it is just part of a long and continuing struggle because the struggle has already been quite long. in the summer of 1969, five days of riots sparked by the aggressive anti-guy police action in new york city founded a battle cry that helped to launch the guy rights movement. a year later, a couple in minnesota was denied a marriage license because state law limited marriage to persons of the opposite sex. their case made to the u.s. supreme court back in 1972. it was dismissed without so much as a written opinion. the court ruled that same sex couples have no constitutional rights married and that the legal challenge itself failed to raise a substantial federal question a
the next day the court takes up the constitutional conflict in the 1996 defense of marriage act or doma which defines federal acknowledgment of same-sex marriag marriages. at stake? federal marriage benefits for those who are legally married. the arguments laid out before the nine justices this week will establish a furd precedence for the next chapter for the fight in marriage equality. this is a watershed moment. but it is just part of a long and continuing struggle because the struggle has...
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. >> i know we were talking about bill clinton recently wanting the supreme court to overterm o dd doma and was that a cat take list for hillary clinton? >> i think we can probably guess pretty well that people's family influences were there on this issue. hillary clinton said it herself in the clip you played. and certainly president obama was moved as he said by his daughters and his wife. so i would imagine that the former president and chelsea had an influence on where the secretary ended up, as well. >> brian, last question. just you and me and a couple people watching. are there any more big named announcements in the works for you? >> well, we've seen seen a lot of really exciting developments on the issue of marriage. >> folks like -- >> you know, you never know who the next person will be. but i'm sure we'll be hearing from more people in the coming days and weeks. >> i tried. brian, thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> new york mayor michael bloomberg is proposing yet another health initiative. this one would require stores to keep tobacco products hidden in cabinets behind c
. >> i know we were talking about bill clinton recently wanting the supreme court to overterm o dd doma and was that a cat take list for hillary clinton? >> i think we can probably guess pretty well that people's family influences were there on this issue. hillary clinton said it herself in the clip you played. and certainly president obama was moved as he said by his daughters and his wife. so i would imagine that the former president and chelsea had an influence on where the...